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    • Sinful delight (Last post by Adi)
    • Quote: I also think that in Europe, all that stuff was still considered sinful, but they really didn't give a shit and partied anyhow. Good old Europe... ;) Alcohol, at least, was one of those things that was considered fine in moderation, and that feeling even made its way over to America with the Puritans. The fantastically-named Puritan minister Increase Mather wrote in 1673, "Drink is in itself a good creature of God, and to be received with thankfulness, but the abuse of drink is from Satan; the wine is from God, but the drunkard is from the Devil." Obviously, if you were a priest or other sort of clergy, you were expected to abstain entirely, but you were also expected to abstain from "fun" things like sex and marriage (unless you were a Puritan like Mather, who had a famous son named Cotton.) As for the ordinary folk, it's not much of a surprise that taverns were and still are so common across Europe and even in colonial New England with all its Puritanical sensibilities. Temperance/abstention is a fairly modern concept even though it does have its roots with the Puritans of old. After the American Revolution, a lot of the social upheaval of the time (more to do with urbanization and less to do with booze) was blamed on alcohol, hence the temperance movement that endured into the 20th century. Until then, the idea of drinking in moderation was the historic stance of the Church both before and after the Reformation - dating back to the early medieval period, at least. Plus, properly brewed beer was a hell of a lot safer than just drinking water. An amusing fact I learned studying pre-Revolution America is that people who could afford it even had it with breakfast, especially in England and the Colonies.
    • A cashless society and chip Implants (Last post by Trisskar)
    • Quote: Whats really interesting is when people get older, many here, will need pacemakers, or some kind of replacement surgery(kness and hips are big as one ages), and will probably do so without a second thought. I most certianly will give such implanted aides a second, third, fourth and fifth thought if at all sanely possible. Simply put. I don't like implanting things into my body (I don't even have any piercings or tattoos) . Pretty simple and personal. No other political/social/egotistical baggage required.
    • The Grateful Thread (Last post by Edan)
    • I am grateful to have found a way to cope with it, even if it does look a little like denial :/
    • Donald Trump - Noam Chomsky discusses (Last post by Alethea Thompson)
    • Quote: “So every time Trump makes a nasty comment about whoever, his popularity goes up. Because it’s based on hate, you know, hate and fear” Chomsky argued. “And it’s unfortunately kind of reminiscent of something unpleasant: Germany, not many years ago.” Quote: “He’s a clown — literally, he could be in the circus,” Chomsky said. “He’s getting huge support from people who are angry at everything. Mostly white males. Working-class, middle-class, poor white males. And their wives and traditional families. They are furious about everything.” Correlation is not causation. Has Noam actually sat down and done a study on why people are voting for Trump vs. no other candidate? Can he prove that it is not because there is hate on the other side (all those protests that are sparked because of perceived hate from Trump)? Can Noam prove that it’s not simply a matter of the voters preferring Trump not being a career politician? Or that it’s because they simply like his policies? See him as a good leader? Etc? Or is it all speculation based on what Noam believes he is seeing? I suspect it is the latter. He’s not provided us with anything which proves he performed Quantitative and/or Qualitative Research to back his claims. He’s spitting out the same information that everyone else is spitting out. Which makes his voice no less important than anyone else’s voice. Not exactly a bad thing, but it’s also why people will not decide their vote based on what he or anyone else like him has to say. It needs to be something completely new, a different approach. The problems: Bernie Sanders – Many of the people that are voting for him seem to be in the younger demographic. The older the democratic voters are the more likely they are to vote for Clinton. This suggests that the older generations are completely disillusioned by the concept of socialism because they see what it has led to in other countries that implemented it. Yes, even in Scandinavian countries. This also might suggest why you cannot find a whole lot of Clinton supporters online, the older generations are not getting into the social media scene the same way that younger generations are. Hillary Clinton – E-mails and Benghazi, need I say more? That seems to be the largest issue people have with Clinton. To be fair to her, I’m still deciding on whether or not Benghazi was merely her fault. I’d need to have more information about the role that Obama played in that one before I condemn her on the issue. The e-mails though? That one is all on her. Many believe that she shouldn’t even be running because she’s under this investigation. Trump – He’s a jerk. That’s the short of it. He also doesn’t have the foreign policy background that is necessary for handling issues abroad. What he does have, that –might- make up for it, is negotiation capability. But there is no telling that that would be enough to overcome the foreign policy issue. And that is rather major to our infrastructure. They all have their good points too, and all of them share the same goal: All of them want to see America’s future improve. They all have different approaches, different ideas on how that works. You might not see it that way with Trump, but consider this- what is good for Trump’s business is good for America in the long run. In office he would be able to control things in America in a way he can’t control abroad. If he can make it more profitable to do business in America than to do it in another country, that brings jobs back here, and he gets more gains in his own finances. As for the democrats, I don’t think I have to explain to you how they see themselves as making America better. Seems to me that most of you are democrats already- and therefore should already know. :D Anyways, it’s also something to note that just because Trump is being equated to Hitler doesn’t mean that he will be Hitler. People equate Sanders to Hitler as well. Clinton, however, hasn’t….but she’s Clinton….soooooo…..lol. BUT guess what!!!! President Obama has also been compared to Hitler. Originally posted in 2010, a holocaust survivor speaks on how Obama is just…like….Hitler! Yet in all of his time in the Oval office- Obama hasn’t become the genocidal maniac Hitler was.
    • Question of the Day (Last post by MadHatter)
    • If you could wake up tomorrow having gained one ability or quality what would it be? Please answer in your own journal.
    • ADD HEALING REQUESTS HERE!! (Last post by peace)
    • Warm hopes and wishes to everyone dearly. I'm sorry to hear what all of you are and have been going through. It's not easy and I understand that. As an apprentice, I too have experienced some traumatic events and looked to all of you for guidance. These types of threads are what brings our community together to become one and allows us to get to know others more on a deeper level. As my lasting words in this post, I just want to say, don't be afraid to let yourself be heard and don't hold back your deepest feelings about anything. These things hold us back from progressing in our paths. MTFBWY all.
    • Who are the Jedi? (Last post by Joda Sett)
    • That's where I feel the sermon was going, but the definition of sin as a violation of a religious or moral law (Webster's) makes me think more of it.
    • Love vs Attachment (Last post by rugadd)
    • Love, for me, is to appreciate something(or someone) for what it is. In the case of life, it should be nurtured and allowed to grow. Attachment is a liar. It tells you something in your mind that is often quite different from what is happening. The Jedi path is a very personal one. I cannot speak to what would be best for the community.
    • Why Master And Apprentice? (Last post by Aqua)
    • Quote: Quote: Quote: Sometimes a Master-Apprentice partnership is created between two individuals with like-minded personalities, which allow greater learning to occur for both individuals. Sometimes, a Master-Apprentice relationship is established between opposites, allowing specific 'weakness' to be "ironed out". How can people enjoy forcing other people.. That sounds more like brain washing, forcing someone to learn something as their truth, removes personal opinion. :blush: To say that not being allowed to have opinion creates a barrier between the reality, in a realistic situation where one wants to use the gained knowledge, there will be no alternatives besides the 'model' that was thought! It limits so much.. :dry: It's not about forcing... Different opinions and approaches allow apprentices (and masters!) to learn about themselves (I can remember an almost 2 hour 'discussion' Jestor and I had on one topic). I'm not sure that talking about weaknesses to be ironed out was necessarily the best choice of wording, it's more about apprentices discovering what they can improve on, whether the strategies they have for dealing with topics or situations are good enough, and if there's something they'd like to learn to do they haven't before. Exposing apprentices to new points of view and methods of doing things is, and also helping apprentices to figure these things out for themselves, is one of the purposes of a training master. Apprentices are certainly allowed to have different opinions to their teachers, it wouldn't be teaching if masters were making their apprentices think what they think. Mm.. I was talking about ''ironed out'' part, indeed. There is a difference between correcting, and let the person discover it.. And forcing a person to change.. That was what I tried to say.. Guess I failed to make it understandable :blush:

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