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17 Jan 2013 21:21 #89921 by Jestor
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Andy Spalding wrote: You can do the pretty martial "dances" all day, they won't help you be a better fighter.


Interesting....

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17 Jan 2013 21:38 #89929 by Rickie The Grey
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Jestor wrote:

Andy Spalding wrote: You can do the pretty martial "dances" all day, they won't help you be a better fighter.


Interesting....


We called them Kata wimps. At competitions they danced Katas beautifully but never fought.

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17 Jan 2013 22:16 #89940 by Jestor
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Hmmm...

Perhaps you all refer to the schools that only do forms....

You guys remember they are called martial arts, right?

It isn't supposed to be about the aggression, or rather, not how you guys focused on it, rather t is the stilling of your internal aggression, as well as a little physical fitness...

The forms are like sit ups, and the other exercises, lol...

And we practice the moves vertically, but they do work horizontally as well..

I don't practice for fighting, I practice for my health....

But, if ya wanna playyyyy......

I'll be yer huckleberry.....:evil:



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17 Jan 2013 22:21 #89943 by Sidewalker
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Used to dance a lot at hardcore shows . . . little practicality, but it has quite an impact on crowds. I learned at some point that the Souxe tribe did a war dance that reminded me very much of hardcore dancing . . . only they used weapons (though some crowds in New England have used chains while dancing).

The more contemporary style of hardcore dancing has a lot of marial arts influence compared to it's older slamdancing styles.

If anything, my fey little hardcore dances have made me far more tolerant to physical trauma--which has made me a better fighter in some ways.

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17 Jan 2013 23:13 #89958 by Andy Spalding
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Thus my line about WHY you intend to study the martial arts. If its for fighting, you don't need the dance. If its for dance, the fighting is wasted time.

For practice is better than art. Your exercise does well without the art, but the art is not much good without the exercise. -Hanko Dobringer, 1389

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18 Jan 2013 01:04 #89967 by Jestor
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lol, if there's no forms then there's no art, its wrestling...

I've always had trouble with mma guys calling it "mixed martial arts"...

It is a mixture of moves of martial arts, but, as it doesn't have the forms, I consider it more wrestling... lol..

So by your statement, if you wanna fight wrestle and strike...

If you want to do the art, do the forms...

It kind grates me that you call it dance, it shouldn't, but it does...

But, then again, maybe some are coordinated enough to dance...

And some just wanna roll around on the floor... eh...;)

OK, call it dance....lol, I'm feeling better about it....:)

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18 Jan 2013 01:42 - 18 Jan 2013 01:46 #89975 by Andy Spalding
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Yep, I am perfectly fine with unstructured wresting and it being called so. I would in fact be in favor or the word brawl. You still learn what works and what does not. There are only so many ways to strike, and only so many ways to manipulate the human body. No matter what school you belong to. Everything else is just a variant of the basic strike. I am a student of the school of hard knocks.

Never delude yourself as to the nature of martial arts being training for war. It is Martial or the arts of Mars. It's become different over time, but originally people systematized these collections of brawling tricks into an "art" and mixed in their spirituality and moral codes.

I find it ironic that you are one of the most outspoken proponents for "anything goes" jedi training, but get all bent out of shape when one does not have structured martial training.
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18 Jan 2013 01:50 #89980 by Desolous
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I find a lot of things ironic these days, myself. But I don't think they are.

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18 Jan 2013 01:52 #89981 by Jestor
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ha, no, I am was bent out of shape over the use of the word "dance", and "art" in ways that did not fit my definition...

MMA is hard too...

Hard work, lots of practice too, and I wouldn't mind learning it as well...:)

There is room for adaptation in classic martial arts, its not "1+2=3" kinda deal...

What most mma fighters forget, or so I think, is the roots from where the masters learned it...

They started classic, then adapted it... Why are the Masters the Masters?

Cause the are classically trained,..

Same as with musicians and actors...

Classically trained means coming from the roots, to me...;)

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18 Jan 2013 02:01 - 18 Jan 2013 02:04 #89984 by Andy Spalding
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Jestor wrote: ha, no, I am was bent out of shape over the use of the word "dance", and "art" in ways that did not fit my definition...


k. Just boiling things down.

They started classic, then adapted it... Why are the Masters the Masters?

Cause the are classically trained,..

Same as with musicians and actors...

Classically trained means coming from the roots, to me...;)


Like I said, there are only so many ways to strike, and there are only so many ways to make a brush stroke. Masters are masters not from repeating the success of others, but by understating the basic stroke and turning it into something unique.

There are many people who can paint the mona lisa and even make things that are far more skilled than it. We, do not, for the most part, call them masters though. We called them talented. But talent and repetition does not make an artist. it makes a craftsman.
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