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8 years 9 months ago - 8 years 9 months ago #198300 by steamboat28
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'On Appropriation' wrote: Under the Copyright Act of 1976, the owner
of a copyright possesses the exclusive right to reproduce the copyrighted
work in copies and to prepare derivative works
. Section 107 of the
Copyright Act of 1976 provides a fair use exemption for works that infringe
on those exclusive rights specified in § 106.


Copyright Law of the United States of America wrote:

§101. Definitions wrote: A “derivative work” is a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications, which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a “derivative work”.

§106. Exclusive Rights & Copyrighted Works wrote: Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:

(1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;

(2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work;

(3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;

(4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly;

(5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted work publicly; and

(6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.

§107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair Use wrote: Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.


So, :
  1. Fan fiction is inherently derivative.
  2. Derivative works are the sole arena of the copyright holder.
  3. Fiction is not listed, neither expressly nor through implication, in the list of acceptable fair uses.
  4. Fan fiction appropriates the setting (and often characters) which comprise a large portion of the primary work.
  5. Fan fiction can (as shown earlier) have a negative impact on the potential market or value of the primary works' copyright holder.

, Fan fiction != fair use.
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8 years 9 months ago #198301 by ren
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steamboat28 wrote:

Pierre Leval, 'Toward a Fair Use Standard' wrote: The use must be productive and must employ the quoted matter in a different manner or for a different purpose from the original. ...[If] the secondary use adds value to the original...


The nature of this paragraph heavily implies that the "transformative nature of the work" is applied only in the context of critical analysis, parody, or satire of the original work, and not as a lifting of setting and characters, which are blatant breaches of copyright.

Fan fiction is not critical analysis. Fan fiction is rarely parody or satire. It frequently flouts both copyright and trademark law, and does not generally add to the critical discussion of the work, the themes, the author, or any other literary point of the original.

'Copyright Laws & Fan Fiction'; Lori D. Kelly wrote: U.S. Copyright law is quite explicit that the making of what fan fiction authors call "derivative works" -- works based or derived from another copyrighted work -- is the exclusive province of the owner of the original work. This is true even though the making of these new works is a highly creative process. If you write a story using settings or characters from somebody else's work, you need that author's permission.


Your sources seem to agree with me on this one, guys. Sorry.


Fan fiction is not fair use.

For anything to be considered "fair use", it has to actually use someone else's copyrighted works. Since story and character names can't be copyrighted, I really doubt much, if any fanfiction can ever fall under "fair use".

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8 years 9 months ago - 8 years 9 months ago #198315 by OB1Shinobi
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i wonder if any of the stories in the bible count as fan fiction

People are complicated.
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8 years 9 months ago #198321 by
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steamboat28 wrote:

'On Appropriation' wrote: Under the Copyright Act of 1976, the owner
of a copyright possesses the exclusive right to reproduce the copyrighted
work in copies and to prepare derivative works
. Section 107 of the
Copyright Act of 1976 provides a fair use exemption for works that infringe
on those exclusive rights specified in § 106.


Copyright Law of the United States of America wrote:

§101. Definitions wrote: A “derivative work” is a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications, which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a “derivative work”.

§106. Exclusive Rights & Copyrighted Works wrote: Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:

(1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;

(2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work;

(3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;

(4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly;

(5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted work publicly; and

(6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.

§107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair Use wrote: Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.


So, :
  1. Fan fiction is inherently derivative.
  2. Derivative works are the sole arena of the copyright holder.
  3. Fiction is not listed, neither expressly nor through implication, in the list of acceptable fair uses.
  4. Fan fiction appropriates the setting (and often characters) which comprise a large portion of the primary work.
  5. Fan fiction can (as shown earlier) have a negative impact on the potential market or value of the primary works' copyright holder.

, Fan fiction != fair use.


That particular law is cited as 1976. You have yet to address the case law that was cited earlier that CLEARLY made room for fan fic. Any recent case law supporting the opposite of this? And we've covered that our laws are malleable, flexible. As was the intent of the architects of our constitution. Now, outside of your argument that the law is not to be interpreted by non-legal professionals (which I think has been pretty soundly refuted at this point), and arguments that have no case law to support them, what do you have that supports your perspective that derivative work authorization is solely the domain of the rights holder? This is a huge gray area.

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8 years 9 months ago - 8 years 9 months ago #198323 by steamboat28
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6h057 wrote: That particular law is cited as 1976.

Not sure if you're aware of this, but unless they're specifically written into the law, laws don't have expiration dates. The date or age of the law has nothing to do with its enforcement or legality unless newly established case law (the only proper interpretations) or other legislation overturn or overrule the earlier laws. Which, in the case of the Copyright Act of '76, has not happened.

Any recent case law supporting the opposite of this?
...
Now, outside of your argument that the law is not to be interpreted by non-legal professionals (which I think has been pretty soundly refuted at this point), and arguments that have no case law to support them, what do you have that supports your perspective that derivative work authorization is solely the domain of the rights holder?

Let's see if I can find anything applicable...

Warning: Spoiler!


I mean, IANAL , but those seem pretty clear to me. They all seem to support the notion that only the copyright holder has legal capacity or authority to create derivative works, or to authorize, allow, or otherwise license derivative works created by others. I mean, most of them outright say that. So...

This is a huge gray area.

No. Not so much.
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I thanked your post because it is informative. However, NONE of that even comes close to covering anything that doesn't inhibit the originator of said material from being compensated from his original works. When people read fan fiction, it is done with the understanding that the person writing the story relating to the inspiring characters, IS NOT taking credit for said characters. Which is why copyright exists. I only vaguely understand why you included the part about plagiarism. Anyone with any experience writing research papers is familiar enough with that concept.

Example: The band Girl Talk samples other peoples music, blends those samples together and adds some work of his own. He does not acquire licenses to do this. The music industry won't sue him... Here is why:

"Probably the most important of the four factors is the final, stating that it is important to analyze the value and the potential market of a copyrighted work. Any use of a copyrighted work –fair or unfair- it will automatically affect the copyright owner to some extent, as since they are not receiving any licensing incomes. This is tolerated due to the public benefits afforded from the fair use of the work. However, if the new work competes with, or reduces the potential commercial market for the original copyrighted material, then the use will most likely be deemed unfair. Again, a commercial use has a presumed adverse impact on the market for the original copyrighted work and reduces the credibility of fairness. Girl Talk’s main argument relies on the last two factors: He alleges that his work is based on various small portions of original works, and the substantiality of it will not substitute or harm the copyright holder’s original or potential markets."

Found in this article: http://www.thembj.org/2010/12/mash-ups-fair-use-girl-talk/

More articles on why he is not getting sued:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwij24St7ujGAhUWW4gKHXarBz4&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgigaom.com%2F2010%2F11%2F16%2F419-why-the-music-industry-isnt-suing-mashup-star-girl-talk%2F&ei=tXesVeOsLpa2oQT21p7wAw&usg=AFQjCNHK0agNBnV0UcE1RxgpW9jri6Vrwg&sig2=xRimtJPnAmMAh8Zhatx34g&bvm=bv.98197061,d.cGU
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQFjABahUKEwij24St7ujGAhUWW4gKHXarBz4&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.techdirt.com%2Farticles%2F20090707%2F0237205466.shtml&ei=tXesVeOsLpa2oQT21p7wAw&usg=AFQjCNHIMLonCtEbB5mhn97W-iBB1rILMQ&sig2=PvyBWytV8vw-ZMtSLaAc8A&bvm=bv.98197061,d.cGU
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC4QFjACahUKEwij24St7ujGAhUWW4gKHXarBz4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.priceonomics.com%2Fpost%2F47719281228%2Fthe-economics-of-girl-talk&ei=tXesVeOsLpa2oQT21p7wAw&usg=AFQjCNEz9AoDynIkCgokkJa4B76yoJM2uQ&sig2=khnD6LBw-eRC-6jqiezVlA&bvm=bv.98197061,d.cGU


The industry doesn't want to dive down this rabbit hole because they have a well founded fear that he has a case. And his main argument being, that his music is not adversely affecting the album sales of the original artists and constitutes a Fair Use on this basis. The fact that no one will sue almost makes this a defacto acceptance of this practice. CLEARLY underscoring its classification as a legal GRAY AREA.

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Fascinating article about the affects of the digital paradigm on how artists are paid and the changing value of art in the new paradigm.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/less-money-mo-music-lots-problems-look-biz-jason-hirschhorn

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