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9 years 4 months ago #170952 by ren
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As some of you may know, I used to be in the bra business. I also believe bras may cause the extremely high rates of breast cancer we've been witnessing since bras arrived. There is research that shows bras cause sagging.... But very little research into whether bras are (at least partially)to blame for the rise in breast cancer (today the most common cancer, 70 years ago mostly unheard of).
So I'm about to move on with a business, kinda bored at the moment and thought I'd look into oncology/radiotherapy/etc... Female breast cancer is by far (unfairly so) the best financed field in oncology and there are obviously many opportunities for research funding.
And then I realized that (here at least), mammograms are exclusively performed by women, apparently in women-only wards (which means even the receptionists have to be women).
As you know I am categorically opposed to this type of discrimination when enforced by the government, WHICH I FUND WITH MY TAXES (that's universal tax-funded healthcare for you). In other words, I am forced to pay for an industry in which I cannot work, not because of a criminal record, not because of incompetence or lack of training, but because of my sex, all of this caused by patient bigotry.

But this doesn't perplex me, there's plenty of so called "positive" discrimination everywhere already, making it perfectly fine to advertise "all our staff are female", yet mega inappropriate to advertise "all our staff are male", or white, or christian, etc.
What perplexes me are the reasons for it.

-1) Anyone who does this all day every day is probably not interested in boobs being sqeezed by a radioactive machine.
-2) Based on requirements for medical practice, it is unlikely anyone will care.
-3) Based on my observations in operating theatre, we're more meat than people (at least to the people who work in theatre).
-4) based on general observations women are likely to criticize other women for their looks, choice of clothes, etc
-5) men can be gay and women can be lesbians, meaning sex and sexual preferences aren't necessarily linked.

As such I think that overall, it is unlikely there is any noticeable difference in the enjoyment of the patient's appearance between the male and female radiographer.

But let's say IF. If the radiographer does like the appearance/handling of the patient, then where's the big deal? In what way does it change anything? Why would the patient feel threatened? It's a bit as if I said "I like jews", and then jews started running away from me. Why? In what way would it be best for the medical practitioner to not like their patient?

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9 years 4 months ago #170954 by Jestor
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lol...

Good points really...

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9 years 4 months ago #170955 by Edan
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It's got nothing to do with the appearance of the radiographer or feeling threatened... it's got everything to do with how comfortable a woman feels.

I'm perfectly happy saying here that I had my own breasts examined by a male doctor and it was uncomfortable.. a woman had to be in the room anyway so I had two people there instead of one (which was also not really what I wanted).

Men can choose to see a male doctor, women can see a female doctor.

I've had a male doctor completely shrug off my 'woman' problems... it's no wonder women would rather see a female doctor.

I'm not saying I approve of 'positive discrimination'... but when there are problems that are almost (I said almost) specifically female or male.. I think we should have a say with what we are more comfortable with.

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9 years 4 months ago #170957 by Jestor
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Well, if they removed the idea of it having to be a female, and let males in, giving patients the choice, if would then be patient dictated...

As long as the male employee could prove he was earning his keep, what could be said?

Ive had my boy parts examined by males and females... I was not grossed out by a man touching me like that, nor aroused by the woman...

I am speaking as the patient, so, for me? Not a big deal...

But, for some, the option should exist...

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9 years 4 months ago - 9 years 4 months ago #170958 by
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Do they not realize that men can get breast cancer too. How do men get treated for it if the treatment facilities are women only? What if a man with breast cancer doesn't want a female doctor handling his chest?

edit: someone beat me to a point as I was typing. Darn you Jestor. :laugh:
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9 years 4 months ago - 9 years 4 months ago #170966 by
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My Dr is a women. (turn your head and cough) I don't have a problem with that. A female proctologist (bend over) did my surgery. So what? I don't care if they like me as long as they do their job, gently. ;)

I do have to say in the above situations, ahem :ohmy: , is does help to have a sense of humor.
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9 years 4 months ago #170967 by ren
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To be honest, I don't think the choice should be there considering it's a public service. Choice is what you can get in the private sector. Personal preferences = personal payment. All efforts within the NHS should be aimed at improving the quality of care, not giving in to the demands of every patient and politician.

This being said, male doctors are actually allowed by the NHS to treat women if chaperoned by another woman. (what an insult)

What I am talking about are radiographers specifically. Male radiographers are not allowed to perform a mammogram by the NHS, and do not get employed on wards where mammograms are carried out. I understand that this is also the case in some US states, although they have nothing like the nhs.

Becoming a radiographer requires the same amount of work (and registration) as becoming a nurse. (to put things in perspective)

And I've had all gender/races of doctors shrug off my problems (not even male specific). There's nothing like waiting two weeks to get a minute of someone's time only to be prescribed paracetamol.

Also... Male doctors aren't specialized in male problems and are not less capable of treating women than female doctors. Obviously there are specialists too, but gynecologists don't have to be women, pediatricians don't have to be children :s

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9 years 4 months ago #170971 by
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Just a little randomness to the topic. is this feeling a male/female situation? a sexual orientation situation? Because not all Doctors are heterosexual. Just more food for thought.

Personally I am in the military and don't get any choice. I see who I am told.

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9 years 4 months ago #170973 by Edan
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Karn wrote: Just a little randomness to the topic. is this feeling a male/female situation?


For me it's a male/female situation... because for me it's nothing to do with 'attraction'.

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9 years 4 months ago #170974 by
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That's an interesting thought. Would I feel the same if my Dr and surgen were gay men?

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