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9 years 5 months ago #165395 by Kohadre
It's too long to copy into a post, but is a very informative read I reccommend for members in the US and following US affairs.
http://www.boyslearning.com.au/articles/men/How%20the%20Media%20Portray%20Men.pdf

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9 years 5 months ago #165397 by ren
I've just had a thought: Now that this forum has been turned into the "open discussion" area, does it mean we can talk about things feminists consider to be misogynistic, without being vilified or falsely accused of various stuff?

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9 years 5 months ago #165398 by Carlos.Martinez3
To me it sounds like some ones trying to pick a fight...

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9 years 5 months ago #165400 by Wescli Wardest
Is there any reason to think that the TotJO website 'rules' that are described in the FAQ would not apply to one of its forums?

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9 years 5 months ago #165402 by Carlos.Martinez3
You should feel free in the Temple brother....

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9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #165404 by Carlos.Martinez3
and on the subject matter, i have spent my whole life fighting this beast, I as a father not as a man...strive to give my son, character. It shouldnt be that the focus is not on the gender but the quality of the character. When this is done those "WE and them", disappear trust me my mother in law is a strait feminist . She is educated and well respected but she tends to focus on gender more than the facts and what is the consern mostly in my opinion is not how "manlly " or "sissy" but how brave my boy is and how much he respects his parents and give his heart so freely to us. The character should always in my mind be the focus not wether or not its.... manlly or sissy or girly... those are things that will pick fights and loose sight of the subject matter. Learn to see the truth in things , find the truth ...the subject... the character ideas in conversations and watch how the hate and "ideas" change. I have done it all to frequently and it is more proffitable than arguing about the things that really.....dont matter.
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9 years 5 months ago #165405 by Kohadre

Wescli Wardest wrote: Is there any reason to think that the TotJO website 'rules' that are described in the FAQ would not apply to one of its forums?

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We prefer to think of them as guidelines or even just as good manners. Most of these are common sense and simple etiquette. But we have to post them and as such there are no excuses for not abiding by them. The guidelines cover all and every section of the site. To be clear, that means the forum, articles, Shout! box, chat rooms or any other official TotJO owned location or function, Facebook, Google+ etc, whether such mention is made or not.

All of these areas are subject to constant monitoring and disciplinary action will be taken at the discretion of the Council.

Any unsatisfactory behaviour is unwelcome and disciplinary action will be taken to address the situation. The rules listed below should cover the most obvious actions but unruly behaviour, whether it be threatening, carrying out some form of online attack or behaviour deemed grossly innapropriate, is a breach of the moral conduct we expect of all people here. We are a Church and you should treat us as such.

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So, please think about what you have typed before sending. Show your respect and consideration for your fellow Temple members by simply maintaining the self-restraint to not swear. As it is much easier to control this behaviour when typing than it is in verbal conversation, there really is no acceptable excuse.

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I didn't see the part about pissing off psychotic, militant, and overly-agressive feminists....

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9 years 5 months ago #165406 by Carlos.Martinez3
FRIEND, forums are for the broadening and learning of new information not trying to specifically aggravate a group or individuals. It matters what you think and how you think and why you think the way you do, you are part of a whole that is intertwined with all of us. That beings said... Wouldn't you choose to be apart not damage yourTemple but uplift and help those who are striving to find their own path? I would think that you would. I would hope that you would. I leave you with this for tonight....Be a part of the build up , never the tare down for when this is done you find that in the building you've gained strength

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9 years 5 months ago #165407 by Kohadre

carlos.martinez3 wrote: FRIEND, forums are for the broadening and learning of new information not trying to specifically aggravate a group or individuals. It matters what you think and how you think and why you think the way you do, you are part of a whole that is intertwined with all of us. That beings said... Wouldn't you choose to be apart not damage yourTemple but uplift and help those who are striving to find their own path? I would think that you would. I would hope that you would. I leave you with this for tonight....Be a part of the build up , never the tare down for when this is done you find that in the building you've gained strength


I am not trying to "specifically aggravate a group or individuals"

I HOWEVER, am trying to draw attention to a very negative culture view which has been growing in its passion for the hatred of men and masculinity with an increasingly rapid rate for over a few decades now.

I'm past the point where I care if I say something that, because it contains truth they don't want to hear or acknowledged, offends someone or a group.

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9 years 5 months ago #165409 by Kohadre

Brenna wrote: Taken from another thread

Silvermane wrote: In the US people are so concerned about Political Correctness that everyone is offended about EVERYTHING. I'm honestly offended that people keep getting offended over stupid stuff. I'm seeing that a lot here on the site. People are walking on egg shells because they are afraid of offending someone and being attacked in a forum. It doesn't mean you seek to offend someone or say something mean just for the sake of saying it. But don't sit there and judge someone for making a true statement. There might be a better way of saying things so they don't sound like a direct insult, but sometimes people need to feel that sting of truth to pull their heads out of their collective arses.


Funny you bring this up. Ive been thinking a lot about this recently. Naturally, everyone has trigger topics that set them off, but how far do you go to avoid offense when you're being honest about an opinion.

And is it the opinion itself or the language you use? or the intention behind what youre saying?

What about people who use it as a tool to simply be offensive or passive aggressive?

And to what extent is it your responsibility to not offend, and someone elses responsibility to not BE offended?


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