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    • Words Mean Things. (Last post by Adder)
    • Quote: Quote: Of course, it goes to intention. Sometimes pre-requisite understanding needs to come from experience, and until that occurs things might appear vague to some, but not to others, so appearing vague in itself is not necessarily indication of the intention to be vague. No. That's not how that works. The first steps toward enlightenment are always easy to understand, easy to explain, and simply hard to do. You don't start with vaguaries and nonsense expecting that to lead to experience. The vaguaries are used to describe the experience afterward, not to lead to it. If you don't believe me, you can pick up any text from any real theological/philosophical/religious/spiritual teacher that isn't Watts or a Jedi. You'll notice initiation always starts with small, easily understood steps in clear language. Their difficulty is that they challenge the status quo, not the listener's comprehension. I didn't say that is how it works, I said sometimes a person can run into examples of material which needs pre-requisite understanding. We are all at different points in training/learning in various different things. Do you mean specific teachings here, which should be introductory, but you consider too vague? I might agree with you, but your previous post said 'we' so I thought you meant people's manner of talking here at the forum. It's a lot to expect people to stop their own progress to ensure the proverbial lowest common denominator is maintained, mostly because we all do not start at the same point, and can fluctuate back and forth or around in circles too!!
    • Everything is Made of Energy Stuff (Last post by Psyddhattha)
    • “There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.” - Douglas Adams :laugh:
    • Well, I thought I would make a few suggestions... (Last post by Proteus)
    • The shoutbox was a 3rd party code which ren was managing when he was admin but took it down after the site's update due to some kind of compatibility or functional issues and never finished fixing it back up. Whatever its condition was when he left, I forgot, but I can check and see if there's anything we can do about it.
    • From time to time a poem (Last post by Reliah)
    • The Lake Edgar A. Poe In spring of youth it was my lot To haunt of the wide world a spot The which I could not love the less- So lovely was the loneliness Of a wild lake, with black rock bound, And the tall pines that towered around. But when the Night had thrown her pall Upon that spot, as upon all, And the mystic wind went by Murmuring in melody- Then- ah then I would awake To the terror of the lone lake. Yet that terror was not fright, But a tremulous delight- A feeling not the jewelled mine Could teach or bribe me to define- Nor Love- although the Love were thine. Death was in that poisonous wave, And in its gulf a fitting grave For him who thence could solace bring To his lone imagining- Whose solitary soul could make An Eden of that dim lake.
    • Thoughts of a simple man (Last post by Arcade)
    • Thanks for sharing, Mike. It's a beautiful piece. One of my favorite albums, by a band called 'In the Nursery', includes a song that incorporates snippets of this poem. [video] The album's closing track contains an exquisitely narrated version of the entire poem without music (hidden after a period of silence), but I was unable to find a clip of that online.
    • Rape Culture (Last post by Zanthan Storm)
    • There are so many ways to reply to this. Often times... rape culture is restricted. Studies are altered to serve one group or another... This stuff really.. comes down to ... BE A DECENT HUMAN BEING. Women don't force stuff on men (sexual or otherwise) Men don't force stuff on women (sexual or otherwise) BE respectful No means no. People who have been raped... That sucks. I see it on a weekly basis... They need help and protection. People who'cry wolf' they are doing as much harm, because then those who it actually happens to... well their voice is lessened. People who do this.. should be charged with false claims and it should be a high punishment. As to who or why... To be honest... I don't care outside of that they get caught. Again, studies to prove anything here. However, it should be treated as any crime. Innocent til proven guilty and the person to claims rape should be safe. Simple. No political aims... nothing else. This culture... should not exist. Period.
    • Jedi Lightsaber (Last post by Phortis Nespin)
    • I built this last year. Plumbing parts, fire department ladder rung, parts from Custom Saber Shop, and other stuff. [attachment] [attachment]
    • Jedi Realist Radio (Last post by MJ Hannigan)
    • With the revamp going we will be having our 23rd live episodeepisode tonight. Show will be live at 8pm eastern time.
    • Alan: Knight's Journal (Last post by Alan)
    • Freedom From the Known Chapter 6 Violence is very broadly defined by Krishnamurti in chapter six but in particular he is discussing it within the context of thought. In this context it is a particular state of being, an attitude or mental activity with a particular content. As such, violent thoughts influence action and the method out of this state is communication to the condition of peace. Certainly, he concedes that the world is a violent place and lists the usual suspects of a violent world and the sources of violence are within and so the path out of violence is self understanding. Violence is a paucity of compassion, the absence of empathy, immorality and ethical ambivalence, and also, those designations of nationality, race, religion and politics. Violence is the unavoidable condition of being human in this world and whether it is the result of our social and cultural heritage or part of our DNA is irrelevant to Krishnamurti. Anything personally valued is violence and so the question and problem becomes whether a person can ever become non-violent. Krishnamurti suggests first the development of a sharp mind. A mind that can strong and courageous tin its search for understanding. Becoming non-violent is a personal discipline. It is a way of living in the world. The investigation into the reality of violence is supposed to lead to the constant state of mindfulness. To be free from violence is another way of expressing the goal of a meditative life: nirvana. In Yoda-esque verbiage Krishnamurti states that there is no trying, only doing. It sounds to me that Krishnamurti’s definition of violence is comparable to Buddhism’s dukkha (suffering) and his suggestions sound like the Four Noble Truths. And so, with this in mind the way of non-violence follows the Eightfold Path. Violence ends as a way of being in the world when attachment to the self and all its clinging is overcome.

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