We cannot speak of the Tenants at this time, while we have ours, the Sith (UJSO) Tenants are their own and are not accessable in open Forum. Since there are no open Sith members left here we have no way of knowing exactly what they have adopted. And to just pull something of the net would only be an assumption. If they should choose to share them in the future we can compare the two at that time.

Understand that this thread will be completely one-sided without the input of a current practicing Sith member.

Also we have touched on this subject before:
Side by Side Comparison of the Codes and Tenants
Posted by Rev. Justice - 2007/06/16

So “what do the Sith Believe?”


Sith Code

Peace is a lie
There is only passion
Through passion I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power I gain victory
Through victory my chains are broken
The Force shall set me free


The Orthodox Jedi Code

There is no Emotion; There is Peace.
There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge.
There is no Passion; There is Serenity.
There is no Chaos: There is Harmony.
There is no Death; There is the Force.



The two codes, obviously, contradict each other, just as do light and dark, black and white just as they were designed in order to make a story point in a movie…the good guys and the bad guys, cowboys in black hats vs. John Wayne in his white hat on this white horse.

However, I doubt that anyone is willing to take these codes to their extremes. The Jedi code is of course, the most desirable of the two in any case. To argue against that is foolish. An imagine the Sith code being followed to the letter by everyone, Chaos.

While I was a Sith, I experienced a very calm environment, everything was voted on by its members and the site and chat was devoid of conflict. The code while present and its elements discussed in forum, was not apparent between the members. That is what I experienced first hand.

I am not a Sith because of their code, or more to the point that I swore an oath to follow the code. And I believe it is not something that can be followed in our society, to follow the code as stated one would be on constant guard. Being a complete ass to everyone at all times will only bring you hardship and dispair. If I continued to follow my Sith oath and thus the Sith code, it would require me to constantly break my vow to get along in the world. That was something I wasn’t prepared to do. Why take a vow if it’s impossible to keep.

The Jedi code on the other hand shouldn’t bring you anything but happiness, something to reach for. I believe in its present form its practicality in our insane world is limited, but I can follow the Jedi code with only slight modifications.

Maybe off topic here, my biggest hang-ups with our current course are;

What of the times when a light action is inadequate?
Can a Light Jedi use a dark solution that is against his/her code?
Is there a clause somewhere that allows a deviation from the code? Absolution? A Cart Blanche?
But
This applies to the Sith as well, can a darksider take a light action and not be marked as weak?
Is there really any difference in Force followers? And why as humans do we need to pick any sides, does there really need to be an “us and them?”

This is the problem with codes based on fiction being applied to our real world. They were meant to be absolutes to clearly define two contrasting groups, ideals, peoples for the sake of story-telling.

Is there really any difference in Force followers? And why as humans do we need to pick any sides, does there need to be an “us and them?”

We all believe in the force, everything else, names, robes, lightsabers, organizations, are items created from within Mr. Lucas’s head to tell a wonderful story.

Where does the individual Force follower draw the line and drop the fictional elements from one’s path?

Drop all the fiction and there remains one thing - the force.

MTFBWUA

If you have two opposing creeds or belief systems and you choose one then automatically you choose against the other. If you mix them then they are neither one or the other. Because of their contradictory nature their can never be a we in the sense of a belief system, otherwise there will have to be comprimises.

Also we are not all Force followers. Jedi command the Force as it directs them (hence May the Force be with you!). The follow the Force`s will. The Sith command the Force to fullfill objectives (hence the May the Force serve you well!). They use the Force according to their own will.

By force follower I mean anyone who believes that the force exists. lol

Garm wrote:


Lol. I get you Brother. But I think the difference very important. For the one it is just a tool. For the other a companion, a directive.

very true, and I get you meaning now.

it is one of the diffrences between us and the Sith, a very large one...

What of the times when a light action is inadequate?

Can a Light Jedi use a dark solution that is against his/her code?

Is there a clause somewhere that allows a deviation from the code? Absolution? A Cart Blanche?

Very important questions:

The doctrine of necessity or being forced between the lessor of two evils covers these questions.

There are evil people in the world as well as sociopaths who literally have no soul and therefore they are not really human.

If a dark action is required to defend yourself or an innocent then it becomes a light action so it's just fine.

So where there is no choice (not just a matter of a little inconvenience) a Jedi not only may but must deviate from the code.

Cardinals, Bishops, Masters - what do you say?

This may be so. But the deviation is a matter of necessity (a moment if you will) and not of conviction. As you said we are there to defend, and that sensitivity is rooted in our perception of the Force within us (which per se is the foundation of our code).

Now we get into the question of 'Intent' and/or 'Justification'. Now personally I would do almost anything in the defense of family or friends, I would do less in the defense of myself or a stranger, but I would still go above and beyond. Now, my intent of the situation would be defense and protection, my justification would be the same, but my actions would still be inherantly 'dark'.

I would never argue the point of the situation, if you are justified in your actions, then the result it that of 'Light'. But then Justifications are based on perceptions.

Brother Gabriel

Right.

For example Thou Shalt Not Kill but in defense of yourself, an innocent or a soldier in time of war are not considered to be breaking the commandment.

What the question is really begging is \"does the end justify the means?\" Is there however really only one solution to a problem? Why do we place so little trust in the Force which rains and shines on the supposedly bad and good alike? Another interesting idea is while the action is taking place there is no end in sight so the question could be reformulated: \"does the end which I intend but has not happened yet and may not happen justify the means?\" What is a code then when we so lightly roll of our tongues that we can deviate from our code? In the light of these thoughts I am convinced that there is always a second solution and that solution lies in the Force. To deny that show a clear lack of faith in that universal omnipotent Power. We are human and in weakness we can deviate from our code yes but not with intention. To do so would be to lock out that inner voice of the Force.