PloKoon wrote:
You do in Illinios...

Its called a F.O.I.D...

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Cant buy, sell, or possess without one... I conat even inherit a gun, cause I dont have one...

Shoot, sorry, I didnt see what thread we were in, Im sorry too...

Didnt mean to go off topic...

It would be a very uncomfortable relationship, no? As it is a "casual" one I can't imagine that it would end in happiness for either party. Personally, I have different personalities in different situations. When I'm working I'll behave in one way, with friends in another way, with my parents in another and so on. If you enter a relationship with this person, at least if you are the same as me, you will be entangling two different parts of your life and when that happens to me it makes me feel quite uncomfortable. However, a relationship isn't impossible and if you manage to make it work then that would be a very admirable thing as it would involve a great deal of mutual respect and patience.

"Master I've been a naughty girl",[...], "This is the true power of the dark side"






I am totally getting my hands on one of them apprentices so that I may experience this uncomfortable entanglement of two very different parts of my life

Please do Jestor I believe it is food for thought...

Here are my thoughts, simply because I haven't been able to say them before!

I personally would advise against such intimacy while the apprenticeship is in place because it could cause issues. However, if both parties are consenting adults and fully understand the situation and its possible consequences, then there is nothing to physically stop things from happening. If there is a depth of connection, who are we to deny it being given a chance to blossom? And who are we to judge that what we might see as casual sex might not be based on something more.

Basically, it's none of our business what two people choose to do with their lives. As long as laws are abided by, there is no problem. Each one of us follows the guiding aspects of the Jedi path in our own way. Some drink, some smoke, some get angry, etc. But what is important is to try our best and to do what is appropriate for our own learning and development.

In most cases, I like to be guided by the phrase "an it harm none, do what ye will". If a relationship (of any kind - casual, married, etc) isn't harming anyone, then where's the problem? And to repeat myself (because I think it's important) - why would someone unconnected with the situation feel that they have the right to judge?

Heartland talked about this on Sunday. We came to the following conclusion-

We will not restrict anyone from having a relationship, however if one develops between a Master and Apprentice, the Apprenticeship will be terminated and the Apprentice reassigned, so that they can pursue their relationship and see where it goes.

If the situation is presented again (the Apprentice sleeps with another of their Masters, or the Master sleeps with another of their Apprentices) then an investigation on the seriousness of their commitment to the training will be launched and decided from there if either one should continue to have/be mentored.

Just a couple points on this question ...

1) We here are mostly adults with the exception of some minors. That being the case we should be able to judge for ourselves as to what is appropriate or not.

2) We never had a vow of abstinence. So what is stopping two consenting adults from entering any type of relationship.

3) With the last point you may say there is the chance of "special favors by way of being promoted without earning it." Well to that I say that is why we have transparency in training here. lessons are posted that are then verified by "another master" and then there is an interview conducted by another master. So I see no reason there would be a conflict.

4) If Master and apprentices are not allowed to have an intimate relationship then does that mean that I would not be capable or allowed to train my Wife when she is ready? As stated before that is why we have transparency in training.

Just my two cents take it as you will but this is my opinion and not official policy.

My first major was education and they stressed the importance of not doing this as it would be too easily representative of an abuse of trust. Teachers can go to jail or at the very least lose their jobs and all professional credibility. We, of course, stand to lose our spiritual credibility. When discussing this topic with my shirfu it was indicated that an intimate relationship is counter intuitive to the teaching process and also, a violation of trust. I am not going to say that no one else may do so because it is wrong. For all I know(or don't) it isn't wrong for them nor do I have the right to lay down rules on others behavior. But I will say that it would be wrong for me personally to involve myself as either a student or a teacher with the other on an intimate level and will not do it. To me it implies ignorance, selfish passion and a lack of control, a combination which can easily lead to the Dark side. The only exception I can possibly foresee is if my wife would like to join the path and, doubtful as this may be in my eyes, I would not accept her as an apprentice and would instead encourage her to go through the initiates training and apprentice selection via the usual process. Only if the Council ordered me too would I then take her as my student and until that apprenticeship ended I would drastically redefine our relationship too what I feel is more appropriate. I would also encourage my fellow Jedi to consider the slippery slope that we ourselves can develop by justifying impulses as the will of the Force. Our intuition is detrimental to our development when we choose to ignore what we've learned from history and what I consider common wisdom too have taught us.

rugadd

Th issue with abuse of trust (with regular teachers, or doctors, etc) is that It really shouldn't concern us, because a Jedi unlike non-Jedi should be able to detach themselves from such worldly matters and remain unaffected by any feelings they may have. So really if you think your apprentice is hot (or as in Damion's example, your wife) you should be able to teach them just as well as anyone else.