TOPIC: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function?
Moderators: Phortis Nespin, Wescli Wardest
Re: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function? 08 May 2012 09:29 #59516
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Rev. Darren M. Baldwin
Jedi Apprentice Licensed Minister of the Force Master: Grandmaster Mark Anjuu |
Re: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function? 08 May 2012 09:51 #59522
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Mark Anjuu wrote:
On the subject of time and effort, all of this would have to be done by ren, who has enough on his plate keeping the site running and exploring stable ways of upgrading the site so that we can implement requested features. Our recent Sith friend, Drynik, was very vocal in Chat about demanding a free vote and a democratic process but doesn't realise the immense amount of debating and discussion that happens on Council before any changes are made. This topic is still going on and the 1 hour limit had been imposed as a way of compromising the security needs, the requirement to keep records of training work, and the members' desire to edit things. I never demanded sh*t! I asked you was a vote not possible and surely you should put it to a vote, you missed my latter question a numerous amount of times hence why it must of seemed like I was demanding but I sure as hell never said "I demand you put it to a vote" Think before you speak Mark  |
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Re: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function? 08 May 2012 09:53 #59524
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Chevalier Jedi / Jedi Knight
Diacre / Deacon, Ordained Minister of the TotJO Apprentice du Maître et Évêque Damion Storm Maître enseignant à Proteus |
Re: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function? 08 May 2012 10:33 #59537
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When I gained my Admin powers, I corrected every screwup I caught...
I posted, "the sky is yellow" Mark posted, "Jestor, the sky is blue" ren posted, "kinda a red looking to me. John says "No, actually the blue is a reflection of the water covering the earth, it appears blue" I posted, "oh, yea it is, ill edit it" Now obviously, this is an elemtery example, however, i think it shows what I mean... Akkarin, how many people are going to read your Journal? Honestly? I doubt very much mine has been read by anyone... There is too much other, captivating stuff to go read old news... Akkarin wrote: Site backups... If something was changed in the past we have a record of it (in terms of hacking and then removing all the information) Except, I dont copy my long council replies... And such as this post, if a backup wipes this out, all of this is wrote for nothing... Well, you know what I mean...lol Edit rights dependent on rank - this requires more discussion of course, but a lot of this discussion seems to revolve around a lack of trust in people to behave responsibly Which was to be the case, except it was changed due to security issues, and Council was not informed as a whole... I would have argued against this loss... It would unburden us, and as you pointed out, this is what backups are for... This seems to be an ongoing issue with people never announcing changes when they are implemented The Back catalogue exercises being a prime example An announcement should at least have been made An issue I brought up in Council, (since we seem to be sharing Council info, after all, its not secret, however it takes weeks sometimes months for the 7 of us to hammer out details, I wonder how long it will take with a another 50 or more), but the same person who informed you of this, and other things, poo-pooed this, siteing it would be too time consuming... I got no other support... And, as I am not afraid to be wrong, thought maybe I was...lol...  I read somewhere, that someone called this a dictatorship... No it is not... It is a democracy, however, the Council votes on issues, not each member... I believe laws get passed all the time I disagree with, in my area, I can complain all I want, Overall, I trust those in charge to do what is right... |
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Rite: PureLand
Master: Master Jasper_Ward Apprentices: Knight Learn_To_Know, Viskhard, DanWerts "Together, the teacher, and the taught, make the lesson." -- Eckart Tolle |
Re: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function? 08 May 2012 10:47 #59544
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Rev. Mark Barwell OCP
Pastor, VP, Bishop & Councillor of TOTJO Grandmaster Knight of Jediism Archbishop of the UK |
Re: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function? 08 May 2012 11:37 #59552
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J.l.lawson, knight, b.div, o.c.p
Intake officer, buddhist S.I.G advisor Former masters: GM KanaSeikoHaruki, Br.John Current apprentices: Kalkho, Zenchi, Jacen Solo |
Re: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function? 08 May 2012 11:59 #59557
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Adder wrote:
If only all edits automatically came over as bold then any edit could be plain for all to see. Edit: Ï forgot to say I know this cannot be done probably at all, but a possible, albeit difficult, programming solution could be to insert a copy of the original message within a spoiler tag automatically after a post is edited. Done behind the scenes automatically by the coding it would always mean the original message was available to be viewed within the spoiler tags. This is another valid solution, though I would say that instead of bold it should be put in the 'quote' box, otherwise if the original text contained bold then it would not show up While it would be cumbersome for much larger posts, if it is indeed a easier to implement than having an invisible log then it should be used or at least considered I missed mentioning this in my original post (no I would not have re-edited it just to add it in again...) Mark in the same post you say that you want to change the links that I request to be changed, while also saying that the members of the council are kept perpetually busy with trying to make sure that the TOTJO remains operational N.B. last night I was on talking in chat until 2am and had to get up at 7, that's why I haven't yet submitted the changes  Mark Anjuu wrote: What people don't see is the huge amount of debate that goes on, constantly, in Council Given that lots of people seem to be concerned, I just want to know what the reasons behind it are Not to publish the thread or know who said what, but the reasons why stopping edit power was more important than maintaining edit power Mark Anjuu wrote: it is the will of the Council, or for the greater good, that such things are decided If this decision is so good then your argument should be convincing Jestor wrote: There is too much other, captivating stuff to go read old news.. Yet yesterday I found myself referencing my sermon responses for an assignment in my clerical training Jestor wrote: Overall, I trust those in charge to do what is right... As do I, but wouldn't you agree that if you did have concerns that you would voice them? There's loads of stuff that I never have any issue with and understand. I'm just wondering what the reasoning behind this decision is because I happen to disagree with this one Jestor wrote: however it takes weeks sometimes months for the 7 of us to hammer out details, I wonder how long it will take with a another 50 or more), but the same person who informed you of this, and other things, poo-pooed this, siteing it would be too time consuming... I didn't say discuss I said announce. Some subjects need to be discussed others that are small things like spelling corrections and changing words so they make more sense (did you know I got one of the words in the FAQ changed?) should be announced but don't merit discussion Not everything that is announced needs discussion, but everything that affects the larger community and is discussed ought to be announced When was the announcement about the Senior Knight and Master rank change announced? www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/114-Council ???? Yes they appeared on the article thread, but that is only because of the way they had to be written down If they didn't automatically appear there then no one would ever have known. An announcement is when it is actually 'announced' in a separate thread that details each change that has taken place in the last however long it has been since the last announcement of changes This ensures that stuff just isn't done without people realising I admit I might have missed it, but I don't remember the rewording of the creed ('Living Force of creation' was removed) being announced... I even questioned Mark after my Knighting ceremony, because he hadn't included that line... (as I said I might have missed the thread that was created specifically for it and other announcements that were made at the time) However when the oath was announced that was an excellent example! That is how things should be done Jestor wrote: No it is not... It is a democracy, however, the Council votes on issues, not each member... That's meritocracy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy If we (all temple members) had a vote it would be democracy (I still support having a meritocracy on TOTJO however) N.B. Do we have logs that show the information before edition was done to the signature, the about me, my profile picture, my name on my profile (before Akkarin), my location, my personal text and all of the little links on my profile that link to outside sources (skype, msn facebook) |
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Re: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function? 08 May 2012 13:41 #59586
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Rev. Mark Barwell OCP
Pastor, VP, Bishop & Councillor of TOTJO Grandmaster Knight of Jediism Archbishop of the UK |
Re: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function? 08 May 2012 13:47 #59588
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Akkarin wrote:
Mark Anjuu wrote:
What people don't see is the huge amount of debate that goes on, constantly, in Council Given that lots of people seem to be concerned, I just want to know what the reasons behind it are Not to publish the thread or know who said what, but the reasons why stopping edit power was more important than maintaining edit power Because three of the Council members think it is a good idea... Akkarin wrote: Mark Anjuu wrote:
it is the will of the Council, or for the greater good, that such things are decided If this decision is so good then your argument should be convincing It is for some... You, and ren, seem to be the ones complaining the loudest, and longest... Taxes are for the greater good, but it seems none of us like paying them... Government waste continues no matter who is in office and yet their arguments suck... As Mark said, we are not going to please everyone... Lets see, I think there are 3? 4? people who have posted in this thread saying it is not a big deal, and 3 or 4 saying it is... So, without counting exactly, in this thread alone, and so far, in this community, few are complaining... Crazy... Maybe less people are concerned about it than you think? Except the for a few folks? Akkarin wrote: Jestor wrote:
There is too much other, captivating stuff to go read old news.. Yet yesterday I found myself referencing my sermon responses for an assignment in my clerical training Did you fix anything? find a lot of mistakes? Do you do it every day? once a week? or maybe just periodically.... Do you pore over your old posts looking for miispeelings and errors? Broken links and other issues? Akkarin wrote: Jestor wrote:
Overall, I trust those in charge to do what is right... As do I, but wouldn't you agree that if you did have concerns that you would voice them? There's loads of stuff that I never have any issue with and understand. I'm just wondering what the reasoning behind this decision is because I happen to disagree with this one Of course, but I since I may not know, all that there is to know, sometimes, ya gotta just have faith... Also, instead of airing our issues pubicly, I would have sent a PM to members of Council asking what is going on... What the reason are... I would not have started a thread, acting in this manner... Akkarin wrote: Jestor wrote:
however it takes weeks sometimes months for the 7 of us to hammer out details, I wonder how long it will take with a another 50 or more), but the same person who informed you of this, and other things, poo-pooed this, siteing it would be too time consuming... I didn't say discuss I said announce. Some subjects need to be discussed others that are small things like spelling corrections and changing words so they make more sense (did you know I got one of the words in the FAQ changed?) should be announced but don't merit discussion Not everything that is announced needs discussion, but everything that affects the larger community and is discussed ought to be announced When was the announcement about the Senior Knight and Master rank change announced? www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/114-Council ???? Yes they appeared on the article thread, but that is only because of the way they had to be written down If they didn't automatically appear there then no one would ever have known. An announcement is when it is actually 'announced' in a separate thread that details each change that has taken place in the last however long it has been since the last announcement of changes This ensures that stuff just isn't done without people realising I admit I might have missed it, but I don't remember the rewording of the creed ('Living Force of creation' was removed) being announced... I even questioned Mark after my Knighting ceremony, because he hadn't included that line... (as I said I might have missed the thread that was created specifically for it and other announcements that were made at the time) However when the oath was announced that was an excellent example! That is how things should be done Yea, as there is no protocol, yet, it was missed sorry for the errors... We are human.. The Law things are new, and it was discussed after the fact... On the first new law, which I posted, that there ought to be an anouncement... I didnt post the other two, I can offer no reason for them... Akkarin wrote: Jestor wrote:
No it is not... It is a democracy, however, the Council votes on issues, not each member... That's meritocracy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy If we (all temple members) had a vote it would be democracy (I still support having a meritocracy on TOTJO however) N.B. Do we have logs that show the information before edition was done to the signature, the about me, my profile picture, my name on my profile (before Akkarin), my location, my personal text and all of the little links on my profile that link to outside sources (skype, msn facebook) Yea, I said I make mistakes, thanks for making me look stupider... I thought my post was pretty well understood, I didnt realize we are splitting hairs.. Sorry... Should I edit it? then you can edit your post to reflect that... |
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Rite: PureLand
Master: Master Jasper_Ward Apprentices: Knight Learn_To_Know, Viskhard, DanWerts "Together, the teacher, and the taught, make the lesson." -- Eckart Tolle |
Re: Should we Keep the Edit your own Threads Function? 08 May 2012 15:05 #59602
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Mark Anjuu wrote:
This discussion has been useful but the simple fact of the matter is that this is the situation. We responded to concerns by implementing the 1 hour option. That is all we are currently able and prepared to do I swear on a post and call everyone evil Everyone responds I change the contents of my post 50 or so minutes later and everyone looks ridiculous and calling me evil or what have you How have you addressed that problem at all? Akkarin wrote: N.B. Do we have logs that show the information before edition was done to the signature, the about me, my profile picture, my name on my profile (before Akkarin), my location, my personal text and all of the little links on my profile that link to outside sources (skype, msn facebook) I brought this up, because we have exactly the same situation as we do with the posts Everything that we can edit in some way can be done so that we can insult people. But after that we can just change it and if someone brings it to someone else's attention then they look silly... But unless there are logs then we will forever know nothing... The only difference is the likelihood of them being seen by others which is no argument at all Jestor wrote: Did you fix anything? The ability for me to fix it would be the discussion we're having right now Jestor... Jestor wrote: Also, instead of airing our issues pubicly, I would have sent a PM to members of Council asking what is going on... What the reason are... This goes with the whole not announcing things... Unless someone says something no one will ever be aware There was a compromise (one I still don't agree with) but the fact that there was one showed that it at least deserved feedback so my announcing it was worth it for that Jestor wrote: I would not have started a thread, acting in this manner... Perhaps it wasn't the best way to begin the thread however the point I was making was that people edit their posts for things like grammatical and spelling errors The ability to edit posts for a limited time was granted after I made those initial posts so the point was made |
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