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    • "Jesus" was a Jedi (Last post by Tarran)
    • I dunno... being myself, what many who call themselves "Christian" might call a "heathen", I like being able to look at things without giving a flaming rat's butt about anyone trying to convince me I'm going to "Hell" for not sticking to present orthodoxy - therefore... Let's all, everyone reading this, assume just for this point, that there is no question that Jesus existed - just to get that temporarily aside for point-making's sake... If we look at the book, the bible, and if we do away with the post-scriptedly *introduced* idea of trinity, and see that there is nothing that says that Jesus was a deity, but a *mortal man*, who, upon his baptism and apparent heavenly approval, the "heavens were opened up to him" - that is, knowledge, abilities, all that were lost and stripped from Mankind in the garden, were returned to him, then we can see what kind of man he was - and in turn, through his interactions with his circle of close friends, *we all* are - or have potential to be. He was able to conduct "miracles" - some things that science can today display, others that science may soon do as well... most, if not all, alchemists and other ancient-tech-savvy schools of thought can explain as well. Explainable? "Blasphemy!", some may say... But assuming what is written as canon, he DID these things, *as a mortal man*, along the laws of physics in the universe. It has been said that, "Magic does not defy the laws of physics of the universe... it conforms to the laws, many of which science as a whole has yet to fully understand". Turning water into wine - transmutation... The time when he walked on water is among the most important from a Jedi viewpoint - Peter saw him walking about upon the waves, and bade him to come back - Jesus was all like, "Uhm, no way, man - why don't you come over here, dude?" and Pete was all like, "Ha! Yeah, right - look... if you really think I can, then tell me to come to you, and because of my faith in you, I will" - then Jesus was like, "Well alright, come on then... come on over here, man" - so Pete put his foot over the edge of the boat and stood on the water... and his next foot... and he took a few more steps... ...he got nearly all the way to Jesus, and he was totally gobsmacked at what he was accomplishing - then he got too analytical and within his mind he scoldingly told himself that what he was doing was impossible - and so he started to sink, and just then, Jesus took his hand and pulled him up, and was like, "Dude, you HAD it... then you lost faith - that's why you sank." Jesus *proved* that he was a *man* capable of what we ALL are capable of - and through Peter, he *proved* that we all are capable of it! We need not be a deity - we only need what can be found within ourselves which was already place there by deity - we are Jedi already, we merely need to recognize it. Jesus proved that ALL MANKIND have the ability to perform all that he performed, because he also did so *as a mortal man*. This walking on water - it has been mirrored in the Jedi parable of the X-Wing and the Dagobah swamp. Yoda (Teacher) told Luke it can be done, if he had faith - the size of the ship (the fact that Peter was a mere man) didn't matter. Luke tried to use the Force and started to lift the ship out of the swamp (Peter stepped out of the boat and onto the water), and though he was actually doing it, he internally reprimanded himself that this is idiotic and impossible (Peter looses his faith), and so the ship sunk back in (Peter sinks into the water) - Yoda (Teacher) stretched out his own hand and lifted the ship out and rested it onto the shore (Jesus took Peter's hand and pulled him up)... Luke said, "I don't believe it!" (Peter struggles with his faith even as Jesus pulled him up), and Yoda said, "THAT is why you fail" ("You had it, but then you lost your faith)...
    • Marx said what? (Last post by Jamie Stick)
    • Originally found here. Quote: So yesterday I went to an interesting discussion, where the quote “religion is the opiate of the masses” came up. Cool cool, we all know it, it’s used more often than not to shake off religion as something weak or stupid. EXCEPT NO. Here’s a bit of context around the quote: "Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." (A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right, 1844) Marx saw religion as something people clung to to not lose all hope in their corrupt society. We see the quote today as meaning religion was a drug which kept people from seeing clearly, but in fact Marx was of the opinion that it was a drug which helped people dull the pain of a reality they were very well aware of. He wrote before the invention of penicillin (1897), at which point opium would have been widely used as a medical painkiller. So religion didn’t make people bumbling idiots who would follow every order; it was used by people to protest their deplorable socio-political situations. As someone who really liked Marx's words, I have always been twisted up inside when people assume that Marx, Lenin, and Stalin all stood for the same thing. I saw the above as I was browsing tumblr and felt compelled to share it here. I don't agree with Marx on this, even with the corrected interpretation, I still don't agree with him. I think religion can be many things: a balm for the hurting soul, a means to gain power, a means to control others, a means to find community, etc. I think religion is just as awesome or as awful as the people who follow it and it varies from region to region, sect to sect, congregation to congregation of each religion.
    • "Jedi Temple" Dispute (Last post by OB1Shinobi)
    • Quote: I would be delighted to have to ability to meet everyone in person and would love for us all to able to get together offline. I don't know how we could do this without a considerable amount of money. The next best thing is for us to be able to video conference where groups could actually meet and have discussions in real time. Any ideas on that? i understand this may no be what youre thinking but in coordination with this forum youtube wod offer not only an workable means of video dialogue but it would have the added benefit of public exposure with the proliferation of smart phones my understanding is that such a method is highly accessible to most of the members here to not only observe the conversation but to participate in it other than that skype or possibly online video streaming
    • In spite of ongoing ridicule I will continue to sh... (Last post by Tarran)
    • I very much like a lot of Sheldrake's works... especially his coining the term "morphic resonance" to explain memory, and how while it doesn't physically exist in a permanently stored state in the brain, it rather works a lot like cloud computing. As an alchemist, I've always known that concept to be very true, but was always frustrated as to how to explain it - I never had thought to create a term to use... now that he's coined the term, everything's kickass :D
    • Rosalyn J, Knight, Announcement and Ceremony, 2015... (Last post by Rosalyn J)
    • I just want to say thank you to all who attended whether live or in spirit and all who congratulated me in this thread. It is truly an honor to be a Knight of this Order and I look forward to the new challenges that await me on this new leg of my journey. Yours in the Force
    • Jedi Realism - What else is real? (Last post by Kitsu Tails)
    • Quote: All but the Baran Do have been taught at my home order through 3-5 (depending on what time frame we're talking about) aspects (Light, Dark, Shadow, Independent, Universal, etc). Baan Do use to have their own group, but it looks like the site is completely down now. :/ Xhaiden re-opened the old Jediism Way and is running that full time now. Though I as well am a bit surprised he pulled Baran Do down. Im sure it is because of no activity.... To the OP There are plenty of things that got translated from Fiction to Reality. Even my favorite erotica books got translated into a real faith some people follow. Just have to know where to look :) Elves though wasn't really a religion....just a Race. You could say Elves would fit will in Druid practices.
    • Ouija - divination boards (Last post by Burn_Phoenix)
    • How interesting. Ouija boards have always interested me in the sense that I don't believe they are inherently 'evil' or work in the way they are portrayed to; yet nearly everyone I know, whether they are superstitious, religious or strict atheists and skeptics, they all say "stay away from Ouija boards". Just makes you wonder what happened to make people want to avoid them like the plague? I know with my parents generation there were apparently some media coverage of incidents relating to using Ouija boards and that's probably why they always said to keep away, but like I said, I've yet to meet anyone , young or old, that reacts differently (with the possible exception of some fellow Jedi here at the temple) plus we all know how unreliable the media are so I've always looked at stories skwptically anyway.
    • Rank (Last post by OB1Shinobi)
    • i feel i would be remiss if i did not add that the work necessary to achieve rank is valid work. i acknowledge and respect the work itself
    • How many do you have? (Last post by Burn_Phoenix)
    • Hi Guys, I don't know how this thread got to this point with so much negativity going round :( it's a shame because we all have our own opinions of things and as Jedi we should be accepting of that. Reading between the lines this appears to be something on going that's cropped up again in this thread, if that's the case then I have to support ghost dog in that none of us are under any obligation to view or respond to posts and whether we agree with their content or not it is unfair to mock or belittle what other users say. I understand that we are all human and things will get to us but we shouldn't be arguing and fighting between ourselves, it goes against what we are supposed to stand for in my opinion. Anyway, moan over, what I wanted to say in relation to the original post is that I am aware of at least 2 other people that look enough like me to cause confusion. One from south Africa (some random couple started talking to me as they'd met 'me' whilst on their holiday and seemed surprised when I not only didn't recognise them but had lost 'my' south African accent lol) the other person appears to live in a neighbouring city, at least he did 10 years ago (this resulted in a group of lads attacking me for sleeping with one of their exes and I held my own until my then girlfriend managed to convince one of them that I don't live there and it was in fact my first time there visiting her :|) so doppelganger or no, they have caused me grief lol.
    • Rants far and wide (Last post by Try)
    • oh rock, why did you cut my hand? That wasn't very nice was it? I only wanted to move you a little. It's not your fault. I forgive you rock.
    • Thoughts of a simple man (Last post by MikeBudo)
    • Greetings Each In the beginning 'The Way' could be likened to that of an Orange. If you just bite into the pith it is somewhat bitter to the taste. It is in some cares then cast aside. If you take your time to fully peal back the pith the rewarding soft fruit is there for the taking and be savoured. The knowledge of such things should be passed on and not kept secret :)
    • The difference between what scientists think &... (Last post by Gisteron)
    • Quote: percentages of prostitutes who sell their souls, and so called research, to corporations So offshore drilling and facking are things corporations are fundamentally opposed to and pay their 'prostitutes' to speak out against? And human caused climate change is an idea those corporations want promoted? What are you talking about? Granted, you could bring up the pesticide or vaccine question, but, frankly, on the view that the scientific community is concerned with what is actually good for people it is easier to explain those poll results than would be to explain the drilling results on the corporate conspiracy view. The only point that is surprising to me is about the ISS, but that discrepancy is small and I suppose the answer depends on whether the question was if the station had any benefits at all at any time or if with all the investments considered it is being an overall worthwhile effort. If the discrepancy was bigger, a corporate conspiracy model might come into question but as such with the large discrepancies of climate change and drilling, more questions would be raised than answered on that model.

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