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    • Thankful for you and winter travel tips (Last post by Jedi_Roz)
    • To those of you that celebrate Thanksgiving, in whatever form have a wonderful day today. If you do not I, still thankful you are here. I really do consider the temple here a second home. Last night I helped assist in an accident that really brought into focus for me being prepared. My family are all ham radio operators for exactly what happend last night. Our area has been pounded nonstop with snow for weeks. Last. Night was no exception and as I was coming home from teaching at the college (30 miles) in the middle of a area with no cell reception was a car in the ditch. Without getting into many details she was injured and needed help calling 911. Roads were terrible with at least a foot of snow on them and very slick. Thankfully I did have my radio and was able to call for help and stayed talking to the person until EMS did show up. In bad weather there are a few things people can be prepared for. 1. Always carry an emergency first aid kit. Not for the ten reasons I can think of but the hundreds I can not. Include extra batteries too for your flashlight and such. 2. Winter conditions require extra precautions, have extra clothes, sweatshirts, pants, socks, etc. blankets, hand and foot warmers, even extra boots if it's going to be bad. 3. Have something to eat, such as a few candy bars, my husband is diabetic so I carry them anyway but just add to the kit for the winter, some granola bars. Just basic stuff. 4. Always allow extra time. The last two weeks it's taken me two hours to go 30 miles To go home. Don't ride brakes either, pump gently, slamming brakes equals ditch. 5. If you go off the road, remain calm. Nothing causes more trouble than someone freaking out. That goes for someone you check to see if they are okay. You can't help them if you are scared too. 6. Check out the Jedi Bystander thread. Phortis has some great information here, and nothing can replace training for sure, but knowing what you can, are capable of and cannot do are also valuable in situations like this. 7. Understand that sometimes there really isn't anything you can do physically but like last night, just keeping her company till EMS got there was a great comfort, she was safe warm and had someone to talk to. Average response time in the UP to an accident is about 40 minutes, because everyone is volunteer and have to get out of where ever they are to get mobilized. If anyone else has anything to add please do. It's a hard time of year when weather conditions makes travel difficult, especially in the Midwest. Please take your time, stay safe, eat lots of turkey and have a great day, Love you all, Happy Thanksgiving Roz
    • Jedi Altar (Last post by Streen)
    • Actually, I did build my own using a Yellow Box design: [image] Unfortunately, I didn't do a very good job, and eventually I sold it. So, I'd rather leave it to the experts and have one that's perfect, than have a half-assed one that is functionally questionable. I'm planning on buying two, actually, from Ultra Sabers, one silver, one black, with orange blades, and a silver/black coupler in between (kind of a Yin/Yang representation). A little expensive, which is why I won't be buying it all at once. I'm going to do some customization once I get them. A little paint, dry-brushing, etc. Quote: (nice altar, btw :D) Thanks! :D
    • The Role of Logic (Last post by SeventhSL)
    • Thanks for taking the time to write that down steamboat. It is basically what I thought you meant at the start of the thread so I guess I'll elaborate the connection to my previous post. Firstly it is important to understand that a premise is more often than not a conclusion from other premise. So even in the basic examples you gave the premise "Jestor is a Jedi" is actually a conclusion from other premise like "Jestor has taken the simple Oath", "Jestor has submitted an application", "Jestor is over 13 years old" etc. Long story short is that even in relatively simple logic the amount of premise that underpins it becomes exponentially huge. The next important point is that, as you have pointed out, all of the premise must be true for the conclusion to be correct. This means all the way back down the tree of logic to the roots. Now the problem is that conclusions are prone to error through personal bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_bias). With an exponentially huge amount of premise there is an exponentially huge chance of bias creeping in. I know is was just an example but even here the premise you gave "All Jedi are cool" is bias. That is how easy it is. Bias is about peoples preferences which brings me to my initial post which is observations of people's logic based on their preferences (Meyer Briggs Personalities). So I suggest that to understand people's logic you must understand their premise and to understand their premise you must understand their bias. The first observation I made is that overly logical people (NT Analyst, I'm one of them) have serious trouble accepting what I just wrote because it attacks their foundations and all kinds of cognitive dissonance effects ensue. Don't get me wrong cold unemotional (read less bias) logic is exceptionally important to mankind. Without it we simply wouldn't be as technically advanced as we are today. The second observation I made was that people who do not consider themselves to be logical or follow the logical process you have outlined here actually do. Something like "I'm not logical and here are the premise to support my logical conclusion". They avoid overly applying logical processes because they understand its weakness. Because they aren't looking to remove bias they are warm and emotionally understanding people. These people are the glue that makes life worth living. Anyway I'm weird I known but this has been an exceptional enjoyable thread for me. Thanks very much steamboat.
    • here's a thought. (Last post by steamboat28)
    • Quote: 1.4 Biology A population within a species that is distinct in some way, especially a subspecies: I normally don't like Wikpedia, because it's crowd-edited, but since it does require citations anywhere they're necessary, I often use it as a source from which to gather more sources. As such, let's cross-reference: Quote: In biological classification, a race is an informal taxonomic rank, below the level of a species. It is used as a higher rank than strain, with several strains making up one race. Races may be distinct phenotypic populations within the same species, or they may be defined in other ways. The term is also used for domesticated animals, see landrace. Races are defined according to any identifiable characteristic, and also by gene frequencies. "Race differences are relative, not absolute". Quote: Race is a social concept used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, in the 17th century, people began to use the term to relate to observable physical traits. Such use promoted hierarchies favorable to differing ethnic groups. Starting from the 19th century, the term was often used, in a taxonomic sense, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype. Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomiesthat define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete, and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits. What this tells me is that your notion of biological race is an informal, and thereby unofficial, taxonomic grouping, and that (again) what you seem to be talking about is social race, which is kind of an extremely subjective thing, something defined in relation to one's own ethnicity. Now, as Biology is a hard science, and they typically do not fall prey to subjectivity, so that leads me (yet again) to conclude that since "race" is an informal taxonomical category in which your lovely Oxford defenition prefentializes subspecies, and since all known living humans belong to the same subspecies, we must consider that "biological race" is something that humans have exempted themselves from since the 1700s, and therefore that this term is more appropriately applied to non-human living organisms. But please, feel free to drag this discussion out further with another disagreement based on an opinion that adds precious little to the actual meat of the conversation. :) Further Reading
    • Padawan (Last post by steamboat28)
    • Quote: How come we call new members "member", or "novice" instead of Padawan? A New member of the Jedi order was referred to as a Padawan until he/she became an apprentice. Because the term "padawan" appears exclusively after the theatrical release of Episode I, when the depiction of the Jedi focused less on what made the path applicable to us and more on midichlorians and Ray Park doing wushu in face paint. Before that, they were just apprentices, a term more friendly and accessible to the non-SW-inclined.
    • Who's responsibility? (Last post by Tk768)
    • Not to step on any toes but for most people Social Security is not a charity. It was a savings account that earns interest, so that when one retired or can no longer work, they have some money to help support themselves. I hat SS being called a welfare or a charity, or a government handout. To use references like that is like saying money you've put into your private savings is welfare. Our government broke the law when they started dipping their hands into our SS accounts, and like a bunch of uneducated cowards we sat back and let them continue to do it.
    • Rape Culture (Last post by ChaosMerdy)
    • After having read some (though admittedly not all) comments on this thread, there is something I feel must be clarified. Now, when I say this, I want you all to know that I am by no means a blind follower of feminism or of any other socio-political movement, as I feel its important to be a free and critical thinker in all things. That being said, I caution my fellow Jedi here on the danger of falling down the slippery slope that states that all feminists are extremists intent on oppressing men. I completely agree with the OP that gender discrimination flows both ways and that it is dangerous to paint all men as oppressors and all women as victims. Men and women both get raped, assaulted and discriminated against based on their specific sex parts. Even so, however, it seems that the vast majority of human cultures on Earth, whether subtly or overtly, grant men more privilege than women in society. There are of course exceptions (traditional aboriginal cultures for one, among others) and there are many cases where women have official equality with men (such as under the laws of most western democratic nations). The problem is, we still however live in a society where rape is normalized. The example given of gamers using phrases such as "I got raped!" or "I raped you!" to describe defeat or victory in video games is a dangerous example of that. Society and the media find excuses for rape and downplay or demonize movements like feminism which oppose rape culture. I'm from Canada, and recently a prominent host from one of the CBC's radio shows, Jian Ghomeshi, was accused of raping a coworker. My first reaction was caution and a desire to see more evidence and a fair trial ensue since, whatever else he may have done, the man is still a Canadian citizen and deserves that much. I was very much shot down by several extremists for this opinion, so I get the concern that men's opinions are trivialized. Even so, however, more testimony has since come out, and its becoming clearer by the day that Ghomeshi is guilty. I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that while there is truth to the fact that sexism happens to both women and men, rape culture is very much wrong and must be opposed. To do so, I feel Jedi and Feminists and every other decent member of Homo Sapiens Sapiens is going to need to make a conscious effort to change things. Education is the first step on this path. Anyway, just my two cents! May the Force be with you all! :)
    • Fear Leads to Anger... (Last post by Brenna)
    • Disclaimer: Expressed the views of Yoda only are hmmm, yeees. Not necessarily do they represent the views of council, no they do not. Guidelines only are the teaching and words of Yoda. Individual results may vary.
    • Conscription - Draft (Last post by Goken)
    • Quote: Quote: Senan, I agree with what you said except for one point. This thread is about forced service and to force someone to do something is to make it no longer a "right" or a "freedom" or a "choice." What makes you think you have a choice about anything? the language you use, going to school, having some kind of job, obeying the law, etc... ? I do have a choice. I could learn Spanish and speak nothing but that. I could skip school everyday and never go. I could chose not to go to work. I could break the law. People make those very choices every day. I would just have to live with the consequences of those choices. There are few people in my area that would understand me if I only spoke Spanish, I would be less intelligent and employable if I didn't go to school, I would get fired and become homeless if I didn't go to work, I would go to jail if I broke the law. I don't want those things to happen so I choose to speak the most common language of my area, to go to school, go to work, and obey the law. My point was simply that the topic of this thread is about forced military service and Senan's post was about doing it out of duty because people sacrificed and died for that right. My point was that forcing me to do it made it no longer a right. I was not saying that doing them out of a sense of duty is wrong, just that forcing me to do it out of someone else's sense of duty is. Edit: On a side note. I have nothing but respect for the military. I have considered joining them myself but I have a heart condition that makes me ineligible. I must do what I can for my country from home.
    • Workout Check-In Thread (Last post by Exarchias)
    • 15 x 3 x (2 hands) 3 kg biceps 20 x 3 push ups 20 x 3 air squats 15 x 3 x (2 hands) 3 kg biceps And Meditation. 13# day without coffee.

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