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    • Cathedrals of Utopia (Last post by Alan)
    • Stones Rising is the name of the event which can be found at the church's web site Each stone is raised by hand. Ropes and rollers, levers and blocks. There are few concessions to modern technology. Two stones a year. One time we raised three stones and it quite nearly 'killed' us. One year we raised one 14,000 pound stone. The shape of the 'circle' is elliptical and we raise the stones sequentially moving around the ellipse with each stone next to the previous. It would make a wonderful place to hold a Jedi Conference. The church property is 120+ acres and is a full camp with excellent facilities. Camping is preferred but there is a dorm, a full institutional kitchen, dining pavilion, comfort facilities (showers and toilets). A river runs through it. The Stone Circle is magical. [attachment]
    • Ebola (Last post by RyuJin)
    • Ever notice how some of the most devastating viruses seem to come from "the cradle of life" region....shows how important hygiene,and clean water are... I wonder how long before a zombie virus is discovered....
    • What Do We Mean By "Order"? (Last post by tzb)
    • We are the Temple of the Jedi Order. There has been some interesting discussion recently of what it means for us to be a Temple, and this whole subforum debates what it means to be Jedi, but what does it mean to you to be part of an Order? What does "Order" signify for you in this context? Initially when I joined the Temple I viewed the "Order" of the site's title as specifically the central Order of Knights, like the Chivalric Orders of the Middle Ages. These sprang up in remembrance of the Military Orders of the Crusades, and comprised bands of Knights who took vows to certain principles, were joined by a common religious ideal and shared code of behaviour. These Knights would achieve their goals as individuals but came together as a group to achieve wider-reaching aims. Entry to one of these orders was based on certain criteria which ensured the sincerity, reliability and honour of the members. They were people of principle who lived and died by their word. Orders of Chivalry declined in the 1700s to become purely "honorific", meaning they retained the original terms, structure and rituals but granted titles as they saw fit, rather than maintaining any concern for truly knightly qualities. Instead they targeted people the order hoped to flatter. Becoming a Knight of one of these honorific orders still involved swearing a vow, but then didn't require the Knight to actually do anything in order to fulfil it. Chivalry thus descended into a hobby and an empty promise, a frivolous pastime of the aristocracy. --- When I first arrived, I applied the idea of a chivalric order to Jedi Knights in a modern online setting and started to put together a picture of what that could realistically mean. The more I thought of it, the more sense it made: a "team" of capable, committed individuals with shared beliefs, experiences and training who spoke, socialised and worked together to achieve similar aims. I pictured organisation and incorporation across a small but active membership of friendly compatriots engaged in promoting the Force, honouring the Code and Creed, and meeting the wide-reaching aims of the Maxims and Teachings. The Order were dedicated people fulfilling their oaths and promoting both the Jedi and Knight's codes. Each person understood their connection to the Force, each had undergone apprenticeship, each swore sincere vows and would thus be a capable, independent Knights prepared to do their duties in promotion of the Temple and the Jedi path. As time goes on I feel this is perhaps less accurate; there are many fine Knights here at the Temple engaged in teaching or supporting the community in other ways, but it seems to me the vast majority of posts are made by those ranked Apprentice or lower. Becoming a Knight of the Order sadly seems to many an invitation to leave the Temple, their task complete. I wonder why this is and hope nobody is treating the IP and their apprentice purely as a "ticket to rank" rather than a sincere and meaningful commitment. I certainly don't want to see the rank of Knight become a mere honorific, implying someone has "done enough". Perhaps the wayward Knights I mentioned are off doing their knightly duties and simply don't feel the need to check in anymore, if so good luck to them; perhaps they occupy their own subforum and I simply can't see them. The Order comprises offices and responsibilities, promotes the Force and the Temple's Code and Creed. The further I get into understanding knighthood and the Order here, the more the term "Order" merges in my head with the term "Faculty", because as it stands it appears teaching is the primary distinction between Knights and other members of the Temple. That's no slight on knighthood and as I recently discussed in my journal, teaching is in my mind a very noble undertaking. I do feel the Knights of the Order could perhaps do more and if/when I become one, I'll be carrying that attitude forward with me. For me, knighthood seems the place where the real work begins. So for me, Order means a group of Knights who have taken vows to behave in a certain way. It implies organisation and commitment to wider aims than those of the individual. It embodies the core teachings of the Temple and expands outwards. It implies a lifelong responsibility, but also a lifelong fraternity. To quote from the Knighting ceremony: Quote: MASTER OF CEREMONIES: The responsibilities of Knighthood are many. As a representative of this Order, you must uphold the teachings, practices and tenets of TOTJO as well as embodying the virtues, lessons and spirit of Jediism. You may also wish to contribute to the future of the Order by dedicating time and energy to the training of future Knights and to your own development through self study and the pursuit of knowledge. May wisdom be your guide, may courage strengthen your soul, may compassion steer your heart and may the Force be with you always. (CANDIDATE), do you accept all that is required of you as a Knight of Jediism of the Temple of the Jedi Order? CANDIDATE: I do Anyway, I'm curious to know what it means to be a Knight of the Order to those of you reading this, either as a Knight, someone engaged in moving towards knighthood, or someone who is not interested in becoming a Knight.
    • What Do We Mean By "Temple"? (Last post by tzb)
    • Quote: It HAS to extend past the boundaries of the site. Otherwise, what is the point. And I am convinced that its that expansion into our "offline (i hate that term) and off site lives that is what makes it so incredible. And of course when it moves past the boundaries of a site, there is the expectation that people carry over the behavior expected of a Jedi. Helps eliminate the role play aspect or the "its not real, just a website" nonsense :woohoo: Oh absolutely, and agreed. I'm sure you're right, that the reason the Temple becomes part of who we are is that part of the idea is that we take the lessons we learn here and go off as individuals to put them into practice in other locations (offline, but also online) we frequent.
    • Gisteron (Last post by Gisteron)
    • You might also want to check out math sites about this. Operating on the axiomatic method, much of math will come down and rely upon these logical principles, and since most of set theory can be illustrated quite well with diagrams it may help you see what those things mean. I'm also pretty sure that you are both familiar with and employing these rules every day. Human thinking is strictly bound by them, and if not all of the implications, the rules themselves are pretty intuitive, not least because they are tautologies.
    • Caterpillars Blowing Smoke (Last post by Psyddhattha)
    • I've been away for a while so I can't appreciate the history to all this and I understand the need to step in and defend others when we feel it is required. However, I also think that we need to step back and be wary that it doesn't turn into this:
    • Helping the Homeless? (Last post by Wescli Wardest)
    • There are two sides to any street and any coin. I genuinely want to help those that need help. And it is not right (in my opinion) to judge the degree of severity and authenticity of ones needs. Even though we have all done it including myself. That said, I want to tell a funny short story. :D I use to have to drive by a particular street corner on a regular basis where a panhandler worked. (Someone who asked for money) I have no idea how much money he made, but I rarely donated to the cause. One day, as I approached the intersection I saw that he had made a new sign. It read, “why lie, want beer.” I chuckled to myself, rolled down the window and handed him $5. What he used it for was his business, but I found the whole thing rather amusing. A couple of months went by and I saw him a gain. Winter was approaching and the temperature was dropping. His sign now read, “Too cold for beer, want whiskey.” Again, I donated. Why? Well, I always assumed that homeless people were just spending it on beer anyways and at the time I found the honesty refreshing. And it was funny. And sure, some of them do. But there are also those that need help. I realize now that far too often in my life I was too quick to judge and make assumptions. And where I can’t go back and change things, I can at least try to be better about it moving forward. ;)
    • The Gallon Challenge (Last post by RyuJin)
    • Lol...that's what I thought too as it's a popular radio stunt here...and internet I don't recommend... :sick:
    • Favorite Art (Last post by Edan)
    • Outside of the Dali Universe exhibition, London [image] Photography from:
    • What form(s) of magic(k) do you practice? (Last post by Arcade)
    • Quote: Everyone uses soap! Well, that's debatable. haha Quote: I really want to! It's a funding thing again. Understood. I think he got everything he needed for a reasonable price, also from an online source. Quote: How does your husband enjoy it? :D Loves it. He's a very hands-on kind of person, though. He works with everything from robotics to amigurumi. :) Quote: Hush you! I have enough projects to finish hahahahaha. Whoops! ;)
    • Emotional Meditation (Last post by steamboat28)
    • Quote: Has anyone else used this or other methods to explore their emotions and would you agree it can be beneficial? This is actually how I process most intense emotion. Unlike most people, who want something happy to take their mind off the sadness or anger, I kind of dive deeper into it. It's almost as if others tread water, and I swim to the bottom to pull the plug. I learned a long time ago that is best for me, personally, so I try to do it as often as I need to stay balanced, and to remember that emotions aren't bad--it's what we do with them that makes our lives difficult.
    • Best star wars movie/scene (Last post by tzb)
    • Quote: Anakin: From my point of view the Jedi are evil! Oh man, I'm sorry to do this after saying you were getting old the other day but... for me this is one of the worst lines in the whole saga. It's a perfect example of bad writing... it embodies the opposite of the classic advice "show, don't tell". It's Ep III's equivalent of the toe-curlingly awful "No, it's because I'm so in love with you!" The other ones you mentioned are all pretty great. Ep III is seriously underrated.

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